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Tinker
Oct 9, 2015 10:41:05 GMT -8
Post by droqen on Oct 9, 2015 10:41:05 GMT -8
Tinker (When this enters the battlefield, you may put a +1/+1 or charge counter on an artifact you control, or put a 1/1 colorless Thopter artifact creature with flying onto the battlefield.)Here is the previous discussion thread for Tinker.Use this topic for talking about Tinker in general. If you have a concern that you feel warrants a new thread - for example, one that involves multiple mechanics at once, or is particularly noteworthy such as proposing a significantly different version of the mechanic - make a new thread for it. Otherwise, please use this thread. Tinker is meant to represent ingenuity, innovation, and continual change and improvement. Current discussion is about whether Tinker needs to be keyworded, or it if could be part of a subtheme.
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Tinker
Oct 15, 2015 8:41:17 GMT -8
Post by pasteur on Oct 15, 2015 8:41:17 GMT -8
Here's just a mix of common colored noncreature staple spells with riders to test Tinker in feel but not as a strict keyword. The goal is to increase the as-fan/potential synergies of the counters and tokens we're working with, and to promote the feeling of progress and momentum.
Airborne Backup 2W
Sorcery
Gain 4 life.
Put a 1/1 Thopter artifact creature token with flying onto the battlefield.
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Due Diligence 3U
Instant
Draw 2 cards.
You may put a work counter on target artifact.
House Arrest 2U
Enchantment - Aura
Enchant Creature
When ~ enters the battlefield, put a 1/1 Thopter artifact creature token with flying onto the battlefield.
Tap a Thopter you control: Tap enchanted creature.
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Junkyard Scuffle 1BB
Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast ~, tap a creature you control and put a +1/+1 counter on it.
Destroy target nonartifact creature.
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Blow Fuse 1R
Sorcery
~ deals 4 damage to target creature.
You may put a work counter on target artifact.
Runner's Cloak 1R
Enchantment - Aura
Enchant creature you control
Enchanted creature can't be blocked by creatures with flying.
When enchanted creature attacks, put a Canister artifact token onto the battlefield with "On your turn, sacrifice this: Untap target permanent."
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AEther Harvest 2G
Instant
Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
Put a Canister artifact token onto the battlefield with "On your turn, sacrifice this: Untap target permanent."
Naturally Resourceful 1G
Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast ~, tap a creature you control and put a +1/+1 counter on it.
Search your library for a basic land card. Put that card onto the battlefield and shuffle your library.
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Tinker
Oct 15, 2015 9:30:55 GMT -8
Post by masticon on Oct 15, 2015 9:30:55 GMT -8
Right now Tinker keyworded ability with three modes. That's an awful lot. Two modes is a lot, but three modes is probably too many.
Here's a proposal to get the words down. It's clearly not as powerful, but it makes it a two mode ability instead of a three. Also still needs slight wordsmithing.
Tinker (Put a counter of the same type on an artifact you control with a counter on it or put a 1/1 Thopter artifact creature token with flying onto the battlefield.)
In my opinion, you're better off with either that or splitting off the Thopter ability to be it's own ability.
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Tinker
Oct 15, 2015 10:29:34 GMT -8
Post by Inanimate on Oct 15, 2015 10:29:34 GMT -8
Masticon, we've been discussing your last proposal lately - the idea of just splitting off the abilities into their own cycles. Not a mechanic, just a theme of the set that appears at all rarities. (Kinda like Processors, in a way?)
Pasteur, those are some nice commons. Why 'work' counters? A charge counter would be more synergistic with previous cards in Magic history, no?
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Tinker
Oct 15, 2015 13:17:36 GMT -8
Post by pasteur on Oct 15, 2015 13:17:36 GMT -8
Charge counters are definitely more synergistic with Magic's history. They're a nice, generic catchall that have shown up a lot in the previous artifact blocks. For that reason we may want to end up using them.
Part of the reason I'm using "work counters" here is flavor - to disassociate "the artifacts you see on Kaladesh" from "the artifacts you'll see on every other plane, especially Mirrodin". It may not sell, and we may want it to be specifically backwards compatible, but I think we might be able to show the "more labor, less magic" approach with a few words switched. The other reason is just not to confuse with the mechanic Charge, for now/in playtests. Charge counters on artifacts and a 1UU counterspell with Charge could start to get confusing!
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Tinker
Oct 15, 2015 13:30:57 GMT -8
Post by masticon on Oct 15, 2015 13:30:57 GMT -8
Here's a few ideas that work with the current incarnation of Tinker. One issue I see is the +1/+1 counter or charge counter aren't really as good as a 1/1 flier in most circumstances. Also, the charge counter isn't as good as the +1/+1 counter the vast majority of the time. This means we need to scale for the 1/1 flier even though the rest of the ability is pretty cool and could be much less costly to create synergy. As it is, tinker cards will be picked up in draft because 1/1 fliers are solid making any synergy much more difficult to achieve.
I haven't given these cards inspired names. Just basic ones.
Aspiring Technomancer
1U
Creature - Human Artificer
1/1
When CARDNAME enters the battlefield, Tinker.
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Endless Preparation
4UU
Sorcery
Tinker
Tinker
Tinker
If you think you can make it better, don’t stop.
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Dark Alchemist
2B
Creature - Human Artificer
2/2
Sacrifice Another Creature: Tinker.
The best discoveries come at a cost.
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Explosive Conception
3R
Sorcery
Deal 3 damage to target creature. Tinker.
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Battle Technician
3R
Creature - Human Artificer
2/3
Whenever an artifact creature enters the battlefield under your control, it gains +2/+0 and haste.
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Thing that Hates Artifacts
2G
Creature - Beast
2/2
Whenever an artifact enters the battlefield under your opponent’s control, put a +1/+1 counter on CARDNAME.
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Automated Repair Bot
1
Artifact Creature - Artificer
1/1
Sacrifice CARDNAME: Tinker.
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Frontline Repair Shop
Land
T: Add 1 to your mana pool.
3, T, Sacrifice Frontline Repair Shop: Tinker.
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Tinker
Oct 21, 2015 15:54:35 GMT -8
Post by Inanimate on Oct 21, 2015 15:54:35 GMT -8
Battle Technician is really nice. Great design.
The others are interesting and show the nice ways we can riff on Tinker, but don't particularly excite me. Tinker seems like a mechanics that plays better than it reads.
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